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Roy L.Harbin:The D.A.N.G.-D.In.G.I.E. American
Monday, 2 April 2007
Regarding How to Seperate Church from State

Regarding How to Seperate Church from State
by Roy Harbin

    There has been a lot of contention of late,actually,about ohh,,50 years or so,,concerning the thing known as 'seperation of church and state'.
    So much so I felt that since many folks are getting their opinions out there that I may as well put mine out there as well.
    The common reason adherents of this 'political stance' state gives them cause to alledge there exists such a thing is that there is a 'non establishment of a state religion' clause in the US national documents and that one of the many signees of the documents wrote a letter to somone else in private correspondence to an associate.These same adherents evidently fail to see the clear reference to 'a god' at the very least in these same documents,along with the fact that non establishment does not equal abolishment and that one signee does not a majority make.
    I have titled this little missive,, 'How to Seperate Church From State' because that is where the topic leads to.Not simply if there  should be a seperation or not,,but how to do it if one really desired a true seperation.After all if one doesn't consider what the decision entails then one can't accurately gauge the proper course to take.
   So let's get going,,IF you wished to seperate church from state you must:
   First,,identify source and identifiable elements of 'church' in state. Allright,,church in state would be what?Wouldn't it be the acceptance of the idea that there is a higher than 'state' authority of some sort?And that exists,,it's known as 'God',a god,gods or some such equivalent word that amounts to a 'final arbiter of truth',correct?And this is commonly an element involved with a 'group' activity' where like minded folk gather together,correct?   
    Now,this situation tends to involve deep personal, social, cultural, emotional and often familial,racial or even  national senses of idenity and individual self image that make for some deep seated mindsets that could be said to be a 'core' element of a persons 'self/psyche', correct? Yeah,correct.I believe we can all agree that is the source of 'church'.
   Second,,that concept,,or ideology if you will,exists,,or doesn't,,with in the minds,,consciousness of each individual that consitutes the members of the 'state',correct?And it tends to be expressed through the influence this belief has on the decisions of the mind it exist within,correct?That influence,,from either acceptance or rejection of 'god stuff' could be called 'church',correct?Okay,,I think that would probally be acceptable to most people.
    So,,the above elements come in to interaction with 'state' when the individual has some position or other in the 'decision making process' that governs the 'state' as a whole,correct?That sounds reasonable and I think most would agree with it easily.
    Now,let's take a moment to examine the involved dynamics of this situation.
    You have a state made up of many individuals.Church of some sort or other,or a lack of it,exists in every member.Some,if not all,have a position within the governments,or 'states' decision making process in which 'church' affects those decisions,correct?Sounds reasonable to me.
     Then,,you wish to seperate 'church' from 'state' ?
     Okay,,for now,,let's just ignore the begging question here of ,'why?' and deal with what would have to occur to enable such a seperation.
      There would be more than one area in which changes would need to occur in order to allow the seperation.First I suppose one would need to take out the 'connection' between the authority of anything except 'state'.Since,church minded individuals and groups maintain an authority above state exists that ideology would need to be negated somehow.To negate such one would not focus primarily on the ones that already have a fully formed set of church beliefs but rather focus on the 'young ones' who have yet to be fully acclimatized to the 'church' oriented ideology of the 'parents or group'.This could most effectively be accomplished through 'state funded' education that would openly ridicule,trivialize and demean the 'church ideolgy'Using the indoctrinal aspects of an 'educational curriculum' biased against the 'church' ideaology,the validity of the 'church ideaology' could be destroyed in the perceptions of the 'students'.
    This sets the stage for 'state' to step in.By destroying the 'core beliefs' through 'indoctrinal techniques' and manipulation of  how 'alledged facts are presented' or 'alledging facts are non existant' and therefore researching them would be futile,,while replacing the 'church ideaologies authority figure' with 'state' enables the 'young minds' to be weaned away from 'church' while becoming focused on 'state' as 'final arbiter of truth' rather than the previous common figure of 'familial,social,religious, cultural' authority figure and final arbiter of truth,,God,represented by 'church'.
     Once this is reinforced by negative or positive reinforcements through incentives/rewards/deterrents the students become 'incapable' of seeing the importance of making state related decisions based on 'individual' cultural,social,familial and the other types of 'church' IF 'state' is the kind of state where 'individual social,cultural,familial,racial and or national' concerns ARE supposed to be represented.
     Of course,,once the 'student' is brought to this level of 'unknowing' it is a relatively easy thing to motivate him to participate in the 'state' decision making process by appealing to the base desires left to their own discretion.
     You know,,like wages,transportation,prestige,health care, housing,,luxuries and other common delicasies.
      Yet the short take on it shows the true intent ,,,
“To seperate church from state you must first seperate the men of the state from their social,cultural,personal and or familial concept of 'church;God,final arbiter of truth' and replace that conceptual belief with 'state' as 'final arbiter of truth'.
       How do you do it?
       Through educational indoctrination of successive generations of young minds,,and,,patient persistence.
      Maybe next time,,or later on,,I'll do one on "Why would someone wish to seperate church from state?' or maybe 'How to destroy a religion.'

The DANG - DInGIE American

aka,, The Evil White Man


Posted by Roy L.H.:That DANG DInGIE American at 5:32 AM EDT
Updated: Sunday, 6 May 2007 4:19 AM EDT
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Monday, 26 March 2007
From roylharbin.spaces.live.com/

Okay,,this is the deal,,I was going to use the blog spaces.live allows one to have but it sucks.Maybe it's because I don't use the new MS system Vista.But thats just classist so forget it,,I'll use Tripod.They ain't such system snobs.

Any way,,I only have two posts and heres the text from the first one:

March 08

Allow me to introduce myself,,,,

Hello,
   My name is Roy Harbin and I have just started this blog here at Windows Live Spaces.I am not entirely sure what I will be saying on it but I have been told on occasion that sometimes,,,I am a little entertaining.But more often I am told I talk alot and love to argue
   Okay,,mainly my wife says I make her laugh.And I admit it,,get me started on a topic I have care or concern for and I do tend to go off a bit or rant a little.Okay,,quite often,,alot.
   So I suppose that's one thing I will probally do here.Rant a little.Okay,,maybe a little more than a little.But,I will honestly try to keep it at a minimum.
    Other than that,,I suppose I may do like a lot of folks and just surf the web and find stuff to talk about.I really don't get into all the celebrity stuff.I like what those folks do for a living,,alot of them are very talented but I personally don't give a hoot what they do in their off work time.I also think that those who are so into the whole thing are in need of some self esteem work.If they paid more attention to their own lives rather than the lives of celebrities perhaps thier lives would be better and by extension the rest of the world may get a little better.
    But that brings up the topic of a better world.And that brings up politicians doesn't it?Well,about all I can say about those folks right now is,,Who ever said that we should trust professional politicians to be any thing other than manipulative,self or party serving individuals who are only going to say what ever it takes to accomplish their goals.Much like Hitler or any other person who manipulates masses of people for their own agenda.After all,,what's the actual differences betwixt and between the two parties?Can you really tell?Oh,,can you really tell if you drop all the personality that is projected during campaigns and examine the overall effect they have on how well the country actually runs?No matter which party they decide to let be on top,,it's the American Citizen that's catching the shaft.Oh,sure,,the Republicans are keeping us safe while they infiltrate our privacy and the democrats are keeping us on the dole while harping on importing slave labor,,but they both swear they are better than the other team while they both sell us all out to China through Wal-Mart.In the meantime there is an ancient enemy of those who value truth and life increasing in strenght and boldness.
    Well,while one's doing us the other ought to give us a kiss,do a reach around or at least grab the Vaseline.And do it quick before we get our heads cut off for not worshipping the moon god and his chief politician.But I suppose paraphrasing Emmanuel may sum it up well enough,,,"Forgive them Father because they MUST NOT have a clue as to what they are SUPPOSED to be doing." But that brings up God,,oh no I said it,,God,,soon it will be like the words faggot and nigger (no,I am not racist,no,I do not use the word to refer to folks,no,I don't like hanging out with the guys who like guys and NO I do NOT agree with censorship of any sort amongst adults and do NOT think I do not agree with discretion being valuable)and people will be checking in to rehab after saying it in public to save their careers.Don't think it can't.Look at how folks are equating a Biblical based costime with a Hitler costume and banning baby Yeshua from Christmas,,oops,,Winter Holiday dispays.(holiday equals HOLY DAY folks,what part is holy to Christians with out Christ?) 
    And that brings me to these folks who think there is some validity to some alledged "seperation of Church and State" in the constitution when all they can actually find is a reference to A Creator that endowed us with the freedoms they are attempting to take awy from Christian Americans and a clause insuring NON establishment of a religion by the State so that we didn't wind up with a church like the British Monarchy built.
    I know that all of the above and the following is just my opinion,which is like booties,,we all got one and they all stink to other people,,,but I don't think the folks we call founding fathers would be pleased with the bi-partisian nature of our political landscape,,or should I say arena. And I can just imagine what some of those oh so moralistic dignitaries would think of the stuff that's common today.
Persoanlly,,I think most of them would drag most of these current ones out behind the Capital building and stomp a mud hole in their derriers,,make that 'heinies' since they seem like nothing but a bunch of spoiled children who have no real idea what the folks they want to represent actually go through.And the poor victims of our educational systems actually think these out of touch ego strokers are worth voting for.(Sometimes I do wonder what would happen if they put a "None of the above" choice on all of the ballots.)
   Okay,,I suppose that's enough for a first entry and an intro to my particular style of blogging.I intend no disrespect to any one out there but I refuse to allow PC bullying to keep me from exercising my right to free speech when the opposing ideological adherents can freely express themselves in a fashion that shows a bias towards my culture and society and a lack of respect for me.Especially when it becomes a case of 'they can do what I can't because I ain't like them'.After all,,all Amercan citizens are free to live poor and die broke just like me.
    None the less,,don't think that those are the only things I will talk about here,,but if the above offends you please avail yourself of the freedom to not read what I write.I promise you,,that if I were to feel the same way about something you write or say,,I would do the free thing myself and act accordingly.
    That is unless you invite reasonable responses and replies that are not full of invectives and blatant spleen venting like I am,,I wouldn't even let you know I didn't like what you wrote.(Yes,,I said I would accept reasonable responses,,if they are only spleen ventings,,they won't get no respect from this DInGIE American.)
   For those others who may read this,,Ya'll come back now,y'hear?
Roy Harbin
(The D.In.G.I.E. American)


Posted by Roy L.H.:That DANG DInGIE American at 11:10 AM EDT
Updated: Sunday, 6 May 2007 4:21 AM EDT
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Saturday, 10 March 2007
Allow me to introduce myself,,,

My name is Roy L. Harbin,,,and I am a DANG - DInGIE American.From a class of human being often called rednecks,crackers,honkeys,white trash and a slew of other derogatory terms.But that's okay,,after all they all infer or insinuate or mean or allude to the average white,christian,southern,proud American being synonymous with the historically notorious Evil White Man.(I guess that's a cue to take a bow_Howdy folks,how ya'll doin'?Nice ta meet ya!Thanks fer stoppin' in.I awpresheeates it a hole bunch.Rally Ah dew!)

  Oh,and I am a genetically inclined latent,openly practicing,proud masculine heterosexual but that's a whole other topic.Like my political affiliations.(none)Or my religious affiliation. (none,as in not denominated)

   But that's just a result of having at least half the good sense that God gave a door knob to try and stear clear of groups,cliques and mobs that may have started well but wind up being a means toward glory,prestige,fame,money or personal power for a few who become preeminent by those few catering,or manipulating,those that support them in their prominent or influencial roles amid the group.

  Never the less,,I may write some stuff here you may find alternatingly entertaining,boring,interesting,aggravating,amusing,
infuriating,comical,macabre,emphathetic,callous,sympathetic,cold,
warm,loving and sometimes hating,,among many other conflicting reactions.

 But,,don't let that scare ya'.Life's the same way.

 And,,,ya'll come back,now!Ya' hear?!


Posted by Roy L.H.:That DANG DInGIE American at 1:59 PM EST
Updated: Sunday, 6 May 2007 4:23 AM EDT
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