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Wednesday, 25 April 2007
Remembering Gordon Solie by Roy Harbin
Topic: Gordon Solie/Wrestling

This is a contribution I wrote for Eric Solies site:

I have re-edited it for form and a few spelling corrections but it's the same as what's posted in his 'contributions' page.

If you're a fan,,go check it out and leave a guestbook entry to let Eric (his son) know.


  Admittedly,Gordon Solie belongs in the world of what's commonly considered fake professional wrestling.Yet,,he and it,was a real part of my world growing up in Vero Beach,Florida.

  I don't know about other people in other places but the part such things as pro wrestling on broadcast tv had to play in our lives back then had influences on me that helped shape me into the person I am.

  I was born in 64 so I am sure I was hearing wrestling matches in the womb. My father was responsible for that I suppose.Being born in '24 he was a wrestling fan from way,way back,,he used to tell me stories of going to those old style 'prize or purse matches' that would take place in warehouses and stables or other places suitably secluded and large enough for a crowd and a ring for a couple of battling men.He even had been to many of the well knnown venues that hosted other sports events such as Madison Square Gardens and others through his life.

  So as wrestling eventually gained some greater form of popularity,, even if not much respectability,as a crowd drawing sport event,he was pleased so can you imagine how him and all those old fans felt when they started getting to watch it on a regular basis on broadcast t.v.?Well,he was one of those folks,,and then out of West Palm on Channel 5 comes Championship Wrestling from Florida.Yes,the studios were in Tampa,,but we got the signal from the station south of us.

  My earliest clear memories are of the t.v. screen,,looming large in my sight.It was black and white of course but we soon got a color set so my general recollections are of these fellows in short tight weird looking 'trunks' with high laces boots grappling on the screen narrated by a smooth talking eloquent commentator who seemed to have an uncanny ability to not only identify a move one of the wrestlers was using on his opponent but also to state the name of it along with a modifying word or phrase so quick that it almost seemed scripted.

  No matter if the action was a singles competition,a tag team or even the old time lumberjack and battleroyal matches he called the shots on the money.He could keep track of what was going on,and talk about it,better than I could track the action on the screen.He amazed me.Even if ones eyes weren't on the screen you could count on knowing what the action was thanks to his radio style narrative.One could easily identify his professional roots.

  But he left an impression on me in more ways than simply through his mic skills.Along with the well executed descriptions of the physical events occuring in the ring his obviously large vocabulary enabled the descriptions to include words and phrases that carried 'emotional intent' and 'moral declarations' that not only enhanced the dramatic elements but also made it quite clear as to who was heel.

  This helped shape my impressions of bullies and bad guys,,believe it or not.The wrestling world was way different back then.The bad guys were bad,, and the good guys were good.

  As far a I am concerned the way things are presented in todays V-Mac dominated wresting world are poorly defined and lacking in the solidity that those by gone grapplers had thanks in large part to Gordons Solies influence on the sport genre.The fare that is accepted as professional wrestling today has about as much solidity and character integrity as tapioca pudding.No,,NOT the physical skills,,the production skills in the writing of plots,swerves,gimmmicks, character development and portrayal.The wrestlers themselves are an amazing group of athletes and I stand in awe of them constantly.

  But even considering it is aimed at the 9 to 14 year old male market,,the backstage management seems exceptionally juvenile and I regret to be the one to point it out,,often amateurish.But yes,,I still watch what I get on my broadcast t.v.,,every Friday night,,8 to 10.And I thank ol'Vinnie Mac,his dad and granddad for their part in the history of it and for keeping it going.

  The thing is,,back in the day,,Gordon and others like him generally had NO idea what was part of the show and what wasn't so their reactions to the action had a much more realistic flavor than todays common fare.The way Gordon would react with feeling that was definitely unfeigned carried an impact that you don't feel in todays shows.

  His commentary included statements such as villainous,dastardly, horrific and others that I often doubt the guys I see every Friday night could work in to a script with a pencil let alone on the fly like Gordon.But they were pivotal to the tapestry he wove with his words.The way he had of working the television show with the verbal skills of a play by play radio sports announcer just seemed to bring the show alive in a way that you didn't get with other shows,not even other sports shows with play by play comments.

  Now to me,,that's just an illustration of his skills being far superior to the 'radio pros' of that time and especially so when compared to those working wrestling and radio now.

  But don't get me wrong,,I have respect for the current commentaters,, such as I see on Friday Night Smackdown and I thank them for their parts and contributions to the industry.You guys know who you are.

  Yet they don't carry the impact nor make the impressions that Gordon was able to.There are obviously many differences in style and in the personas that make a giant difference.For one thing,Gordons wasn't staged.Well,to be honest,I did miss his later appearences with V.Mac's productions so maybe he had a different take on things then.I do hope he didn't seem too different to his old fans who caught those shows.

  The way he came off when he liked a wrestler,or didn't,was allways genuine seeming and I rarely doubted his opinions of the characters or events he talked about.The fact that his opinions allmost allways coincided with mine and my fathers naturally affected this sentiment greatly. I can't credit Gordon Solie directly with fostering in me what I like to call a 'bully fighting mentality' but I can say that his comments and stated opinions did influence my young mind regarding how to identify a bully like act.As to a direct fostering influence,,I can identify my older brothers and sisters as a major one.But that's a different story alltogether,,well,maybe not entirely. The way Gordon called the action became the 'typical way' to call action for us kids.His was the pattern and cadence we would emulate,,or try poorly to that is.While we would be playfighting or even releasing the common frustrations and or aggressive tendencies for real,,which we we thought nothing of back then,we would be doing our own verbal play by play calls while imitating him.Yep,,not one of the famous sports anouncers who you might catch on the majors sports events,,Gordon Solie the guy on Championship Wrestling from Florida.

  Every Saturday after the morning cartoon line up that was the call for me and my father to watch wrestling.After him and my mom divorced and her and my siblings moved out this became a 'thing' for us.Right around noon it seems,we would put one of those frozen solid store bought pizzas in the oven.Grab some Ruffles or Wise potato chips,Freetos and soda,,Mr.Pibb,for me and Busch beer for dad and settle in for the show.

   I can't really recall the variations in the line up that we watched but sometimes there were more than one wrestling show and that allways made for a better Saturday.But mostly I remember that they would roll old chop-saki's,spaghetti westerns or monster movies,,mainly the japanese genre and old b flick black and whites after the wrestling was over.And that was the rest of my Saturday viewing regime.Any number of other things began after that.

  To this day,,when I think of or look at a picture of Gordon Solie I can't help but recall my own father.It's not so much that they look a bit like each other.Yes,both had the receeding hair line,wore glasses and had a common look forged in a common era.It was more of an attitude I think,,or maybe just a way in which things were a bit plainer for them to state in terms of good and bad.I suppose it could be called part of that generations flavor though.And one that I am glad I got a taste of before it got drowned out by what is sprinkled around so much today.

  So I have to tip my hat to Gordon Solie and thank him very greatfully for the part he played in the history of professional wrestling as well as the very treasured part he played in my childhood and continues to play in my memories.I personally wish that some of todays 'commentaters' in the industry would apply some of what he used to their work.But that's up to Vinnie Mac,I suppose.

reference links (for some who may not know of Gordon Solie,,or maybe wrestling in general.:


Posted by Roy L.H.:That DANG DInGIE American at 12:16 AM EDT
Updated: Saturday, 12 May 2007 2:49 AM EDT
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Monday, 2 April 2007
Regarding How to Seperate Church from State

Regarding How to Seperate Church from State
by Roy Harbin

    There has been a lot of contention of late,actually,about ohh,,50 years or so,,concerning the thing known as 'seperation of church and state'.
    So much so I felt that since many folks are getting their opinions out there that I may as well put mine out there as well.
    The common reason adherents of this 'political stance' state gives them cause to alledge there exists such a thing is that there is a 'non establishment of a state religion' clause in the US national documents and that one of the many signees of the documents wrote a letter to somone else in private correspondence to an associate.These same adherents evidently fail to see the clear reference to 'a god' at the very least in these same documents,along with the fact that non establishment does not equal abolishment and that one signee does not a majority make.
    I have titled this little missive,, 'How to Seperate Church From State' because that is where the topic leads to.Not simply if there  should be a seperation or not,,but how to do it if one really desired a true seperation.After all if one doesn't consider what the decision entails then one can't accurately gauge the proper course to take.
   So let's get going,,IF you wished to seperate church from state you must:
   First,,identify source and identifiable elements of 'church' in state. Allright,,church in state would be what?Wouldn't it be the acceptance of the idea that there is a higher than 'state' authority of some sort?And that exists,,it's known as 'God',a god,gods or some such equivalent word that amounts to a 'final arbiter of truth',correct?And this is commonly an element involved with a 'group' activity' where like minded folk gather together,correct?   
    Now,this situation tends to involve deep personal, social, cultural, emotional and often familial,racial or even  national senses of idenity and individual self image that make for some deep seated mindsets that could be said to be a 'core' element of a persons 'self/psyche', correct? Yeah,correct.I believe we can all agree that is the source of 'church'.
   Second,,that concept,,or ideology if you will,exists,,or doesn't,,with in the minds,,consciousness of each individual that consitutes the members of the 'state',correct?And it tends to be expressed through the influence this belief has on the decisions of the mind it exist within,correct?That influence,,from either acceptance or rejection of 'god stuff' could be called 'church',correct?Okay,,I think that would probally be acceptable to most people.
    So,,the above elements come in to interaction with 'state' when the individual has some position or other in the 'decision making process' that governs the 'state' as a whole,correct?That sounds reasonable and I think most would agree with it easily.
    Now,let's take a moment to examine the involved dynamics of this situation.
    You have a state made up of many individuals.Church of some sort or other,or a lack of it,exists in every member.Some,if not all,have a position within the governments,or 'states' decision making process in which 'church' affects those decisions,correct?Sounds reasonable to me.
     Then,,you wish to seperate 'church' from 'state' ?
     Okay,,for now,,let's just ignore the begging question here of ,'why?' and deal with what would have to occur to enable such a seperation.
      There would be more than one area in which changes would need to occur in order to allow the seperation.First I suppose one would need to take out the 'connection' between the authority of anything except 'state'.Since,church minded individuals and groups maintain an authority above state exists that ideology would need to be negated somehow.To negate such one would not focus primarily on the ones that already have a fully formed set of church beliefs but rather focus on the 'young ones' who have yet to be fully acclimatized to the 'church' oriented ideology of the 'parents or group'.This could most effectively be accomplished through 'state funded' education that would openly ridicule,trivialize and demean the 'church ideolgy'Using the indoctrinal aspects of an 'educational curriculum' biased against the 'church' ideaology,the validity of the 'church ideaology' could be destroyed in the perceptions of the 'students'.
    This sets the stage for 'state' to step in.By destroying the 'core beliefs' through 'indoctrinal techniques' and manipulation of  how 'alledged facts are presented' or 'alledging facts are non existant' and therefore researching them would be futile,,while replacing the 'church ideaologies authority figure' with 'state' enables the 'young minds' to be weaned away from 'church' while becoming focused on 'state' as 'final arbiter of truth' rather than the previous common figure of 'familial,social,religious, cultural' authority figure and final arbiter of truth,,God,represented by 'church'.
     Once this is reinforced by negative or positive reinforcements through incentives/rewards/deterrents the students become 'incapable' of seeing the importance of making state related decisions based on 'individual' cultural,social,familial and the other types of 'church' IF 'state' is the kind of state where 'individual social,cultural,familial,racial and or national' concerns ARE supposed to be represented.
     Of course,,once the 'student' is brought to this level of 'unknowing' it is a relatively easy thing to motivate him to participate in the 'state' decision making process by appealing to the base desires left to their own discretion.
     You know,,like wages,transportation,prestige,health care, housing,,luxuries and other common delicasies.
      Yet the short take on it shows the true intent ,,,
“To seperate church from state you must first seperate the men of the state from their social,cultural,personal and or familial concept of 'church;God,final arbiter of truth' and replace that conceptual belief with 'state' as 'final arbiter of truth'.
       How do you do it?
       Through educational indoctrination of successive generations of young minds,,and,,patient persistence.
      Maybe next time,,or later on,,I'll do one on "Why would someone wish to seperate church from state?' or maybe 'How to destroy a religion.'

The DANG - DInGIE American

aka,, The Evil White Man

Posted by Roy L.H.:That DANG DInGIE American at 5:32 AM EDT
Updated: Sunday, 6 May 2007 4:19 AM EDT
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Monday, 26 March 2007

Okay,,this is the deal,,I was going to use the blog allows one to have but it sucks.Maybe it's because I don't use the new MS system Vista.But thats just classist so forget it,,I'll use Tripod.They ain't such system snobs.

Any way,,I only have two posts and heres the text from the first one:

March 08

Allow me to introduce myself,,,,

   My name is Roy Harbin and I have just started this blog here at Windows Live Spaces.I am not entirely sure what I will be saying on it but I have been told on occasion that sometimes,,,I am a little entertaining.But more often I am told I talk alot and love to argue
   Okay,,mainly my wife says I make her laugh.And I admit it,,get me started on a topic I have care or concern for and I do tend to go off a bit or rant a little.Okay,,quite often,,alot.
   So I suppose that's one thing I will probally do here.Rant a little.Okay,,maybe a little more than a little.But,I will honestly try to keep it at a minimum.
    Other than that,,I suppose I may do like a lot of folks and just surf the web and find stuff to talk about.I really don't get into all the celebrity stuff.I like what those folks do for a living,,alot of them are very talented but I personally don't give a hoot what they do in their off work time.I also think that those who are so into the whole thing are in need of some self esteem work.If they paid more attention to their own lives rather than the lives of celebrities perhaps thier lives would be better and by extension the rest of the world may get a little better.
    But that brings up the topic of a better world.And that brings up politicians doesn't it?Well,about all I can say about those folks right now is,,Who ever said that we should trust professional politicians to be any thing other than manipulative,self or party serving individuals who are only going to say what ever it takes to accomplish their goals.Much like Hitler or any other person who manipulates masses of people for their own agenda.After all,,what's the actual differences betwixt and between the two parties?Can you really tell?Oh,,can you really tell if you drop all the personality that is projected during campaigns and examine the overall effect they have on how well the country actually runs?No matter which party they decide to let be on top,,it's the American Citizen that's catching the shaft.Oh,sure,,the Republicans are keeping us safe while they infiltrate our privacy and the democrats are keeping us on the dole while harping on importing slave labor,,but they both swear they are better than the other team while they both sell us all out to China through Wal-Mart.In the meantime there is an ancient enemy of those who value truth and life increasing in strenght and boldness.
    Well,while one's doing us the other ought to give us a kiss,do a reach around or at least grab the Vaseline.And do it quick before we get our heads cut off for not worshipping the moon god and his chief politician.But I suppose paraphrasing Emmanuel may sum it up well enough,,,"Forgive them Father because they MUST NOT have a clue as to what they are SUPPOSED to be doing." But that brings up God,,oh no I said it,,God,,soon it will be like the words faggot and nigger (no,I am not racist,no,I do not use the word to refer to folks,no,I don't like hanging out with the guys who like guys and NO I do NOT agree with censorship of any sort amongst adults and do NOT think I do not agree with discretion being valuable)and people will be checking in to rehab after saying it in public to save their careers.Don't think it can't.Look at how folks are equating a Biblical based costime with a Hitler costume and banning baby Yeshua from Christmas,,oops,,Winter Holiday dispays.(holiday equals HOLY DAY folks,what part is holy to Christians with out Christ?) 
    And that brings me to these folks who think there is some validity to some alledged "seperation of Church and State" in the constitution when all they can actually find is a reference to A Creator that endowed us with the freedoms they are attempting to take awy from Christian Americans and a clause insuring NON establishment of a religion by the State so that we didn't wind up with a church like the British Monarchy built.
    I know that all of the above and the following is just my opinion,which is like booties,,we all got one and they all stink to other people,,,but I don't think the folks we call founding fathers would be pleased with the bi-partisian nature of our political landscape,,or should I say arena. And I can just imagine what some of those oh so moralistic dignitaries would think of the stuff that's common today.
Persoanlly,,I think most of them would drag most of these current ones out behind the Capital building and stomp a mud hole in their derriers,,make that 'heinies' since they seem like nothing but a bunch of spoiled children who have no real idea what the folks they want to represent actually go through.And the poor victims of our educational systems actually think these out of touch ego strokers are worth voting for.(Sometimes I do wonder what would happen if they put a "None of the above" choice on all of the ballots.)
   Okay,,I suppose that's enough for a first entry and an intro to my particular style of blogging.I intend no disrespect to any one out there but I refuse to allow PC bullying to keep me from exercising my right to free speech when the opposing ideological adherents can freely express themselves in a fashion that shows a bias towards my culture and society and a lack of respect for me.Especially when it becomes a case of 'they can do what I can't because I ain't like them'.After all,,all Amercan citizens are free to live poor and die broke just like me.
    None the less,,don't think that those are the only things I will talk about here,,but if the above offends you please avail yourself of the freedom to not read what I write.I promise you,,that if I were to feel the same way about something you write or say,,I would do the free thing myself and act accordingly.
    That is unless you invite reasonable responses and replies that are not full of invectives and blatant spleen venting like I am,,I wouldn't even let you know I didn't like what you wrote.(Yes,,I said I would accept reasonable responses,,if they are only spleen ventings,,they won't get no respect from this DInGIE American.)
   For those others who may read this,,Ya'll come back now,y'hear?
Roy Harbin
(The D.In.G.I.E. American)

Posted by Roy L.H.:That DANG DInGIE American at 11:10 AM EDT
Updated: Sunday, 6 May 2007 4:21 AM EDT
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Saturday, 10 March 2007
Allow me to introduce myself,,,

My name is Roy L. Harbin,,,and I am a DANG - DInGIE American.From a class of human being often called rednecks,crackers,honkeys,white trash and a slew of other derogatory terms.But that's okay,,after all they all infer or insinuate or mean or allude to the average white,christian,southern,proud American being synonymous with the historically notorious Evil White Man.(I guess that's a cue to take a bow_Howdy folks,how ya'll doin'?Nice ta meet ya!Thanks fer stoppin' in.I awpresheeates it a hole bunch.Rally Ah dew!)

  Oh,and I am a genetically inclined latent,openly practicing,proud masculine heterosexual but that's a whole other topic.Like my political affiliations.(none)Or my religious affiliation. (none,as in not denominated)

   But that's just a result of having at least half the good sense that God gave a door knob to try and stear clear of groups,cliques and mobs that may have started well but wind up being a means toward glory,prestige,fame,money or personal power for a few who become preeminent by those few catering,or manipulating,those that support them in their prominent or influencial roles amid the group.

  Never the less,,I may write some stuff here you may find alternatingly entertaining,boring,interesting,aggravating,amusing,
warm,loving and sometimes hating,,among many other conflicting reactions.

 But,,don't let that scare ya'.Life's the same way.

 And,,,ya'll come back,now!Ya' hear?!

Posted by Roy L.H.:That DANG DInGIE American at 1:59 PM EST
Updated: Sunday, 6 May 2007 4:23 AM EDT
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