Nov 5^th 'ignition' exchange.

harbin336

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RE: November 5th
11/06/07 05:10am

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~it sure does seem like we do not learn from history~

To learn from history one must have history at ones disposal along with an actual interest in 'learning' from it as opposed to 'only memorizing info the curricuulum calls for' until a test is passed.
(Short term storage,,with subsequent dissolution,,does not equal a 'lesson learned' being available on demand for the duration of an existance.)
Like a gun,,if ya don't have it,,ya can't use it.
If you're taught to think you don't need it,,you won't have one.

~maybe the Hindus are correct and we are all the same souls making the same mistakes time after time life after life~

Maybe the Hindus 'dieties' or 'elite ones' do and their worshippers don't.
Maybe the Hindus 'dieties' are incorporeal beings that can 'inhabit' human bodies.
Maybe the Hindus 'dieties' only told the Hindus that 'all souls reincarnate' in order to prep them culturally for 'possesion' by an 'elite' few,,which then rule them.
Maybe the Hindus 'holy men/priests' found out they could get fed and paid if they told folks that they can help them with that problem.

~Everything does seem like it goes around in circles or cycles.~

See what thinking those kinds of thoughts do to you,,ya better stop,,,you'll get dizzy,dude!

~it sure does seem like we do not learn from history or maybe the Hindus are correct and we are all the same souls making the same mistakes time after time life after life. Everything does seem like it goes around in circles or cycles.

<shrugs shoulders with a grin>
~

Hey,,maybe we have to go through hell to get to heaven.
Trial by the refiners fire renders desirable qualities,,from the ore that 'has it in it'.
(Hey Lummie,,tell me,,exactly who promised you a 'rose garden'?)

~smirk~

Or better yet,,our entrance to heaven is determined by our behaviour in the hell that is made by THE MEN on Earth that only believe in the things of this world.
Like those who often get carried away with the 'power' other men grant them over their lifes and finances and drift,,sometimes run,,straight away from all the 'good and noble' policies and principles they expounded as vital in order to get the support of those very folks.
(And then,,there's the ones who do it deceptively.Deliberately manipulating 'their sheep' to gain the platforms to advance their own agendas.)
And I'm sure you know about,,those who have 'no regard' for the things that may not be visible to them or the idea that there is an existance,,after the flesh transpires,,in which there is an Authority Higher Than Mans and therefore NOT influencable after the 'ways of men on earth',,who will hold them accountable,,'FOREVER',,for their 'inhumanities to man' which they perpetrated.

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harbin336

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RE: November 5th
11/06/07 05:12am

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~ cont from prev post ~

As in,,do ya ALLWAYS do things the way the majorities in the world do things???(Which got us in the mess we are in today.)
Or does ya 'more often' follow the 'more narrow',,less traveled path?

Allways remember,,and never forget,that,,,
'That many people CAN be wrong.
(And usually are.)

Humans are NOT herd animals,,they are only 'gregarious' in times of 'safety'.
When they feel threatened,,they break up into 'family groups' and go into 'defensive/survival mode'.
Often,,some members become overtly aggressive towards the 'threat'.Some perish,,most don't.
Others break away and go solo,,most succumbing to the 'threat'.
This could be called an 'evolutionary trait' instilled through 'the process' postulated by Darwin that has done 'the species' a world of good.
Or ya could say,,that's the way they're made.
Either way,,historically,,it has worked rather well,,untill now.

Who's the enemy?
Who's the target?
How do you tell the difference now days?

And have ya ever noticed how,historically,,,

Many things that started as great,beneficial things soon become perverted into the very things they originated in opposition to?
(And it allmost invariably happens from 'insiders' advocating the insertion of contrary ideologies or practices.)
Back and forth,,all down through history.

That's how men do it,,from within,,like yeast.
A little bit leavens the whole lump.
(It works better with a little sugar added to the mix.)
And hoooo-doggie,,that 'light,fluffed up' bread sure 'tastes' good.
It's just not too nutritious,,nor filling.Yet,,if you eat too much,,you get fat.

Throwing out modern illustrations and analogies from an old set of answers for the giant set of problems of man on earth,,yet,,

With all due respct to all on this planet,,even infun,,
The DANG-DInGIE American
aka,, The Evil White Man

infundibulum6

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RE: November 5th
11/06/07 08:47am

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No comments on the subject of the thread roy?

harbin336

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RE: November 5th
11/06/07 11:46am

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Didn't you read my post,Abu?

I was responding to YOUR post.
As in,,Your post was MY topic.
Was YOUR post 'on topic'?
Or was it a response to another post?

You said,,yada,,
'don't learn from history,,repeat same mistakes,yada,,Hindus,yada,,souls repeating same mistakes,,time after time,,life after life,,
"circlular cycles.'

How is THAT,,'on topic'?

The topic is Guy Fawkes,,no?
Or do want to nit pic and say it's the 'day' that is the topic?
Either way,,it's history.
And hopefully 'someone' somewhere 'learns' something from it.

Let's see,,

Guy Fawkes didn't like the Catholic church,,right?

So,,they have a struggle,,no?

An individual,,and a group' that agrees with him,,'resists' the Pope and those who 'agree to bow' to him.

They wage war and kill folks over a religious system ruling over them,,right?

People evidently have NOT learned from 'the lessons' illustrated by the facts of the events being taught to them.

I said stuff about,,history,,learning from it and how you can be taught to not believe you need 'useful' things readily available,,through using guns as an analogy for 'lessons learned from history'.As well as a 'religions' elite 'ruling' over groups who believe certain stuff by 'using their beliefs' to sustain their own 'lifestyles'.
Along with things about 'other kinds',,non or anti-religious folks doing the same.That covered the Pope and Guy F.

I just 'dressed it(the concepts) up' in a reply to your 'Hindu' remarks.

I then said something about 'endless circles' making ya dizzy.Implying that such as Hinduisms might cause such an effect.

I then discussed some religious considerations,,like the ones,,or at least similar in scope to those The Pope and Guy F. may have been at odds over.

Then I pointed out,,from a foundational question,,how that kind of stuff had gotten us in the mess we are in today.
After which I explained how,,humans react in a basic way to threats from other things,,inferring 'humans as well as others' and how there are no clear cut 'enemies' to react to.
Unlike in Guys time,,today,,the enemy is not so clearly identifiable.For Guy,,nor The Pope,,or anyone else for that matter.

Then I cut deeper into the matter by asking you if you had noticed the ways things 'change into their opposition' in slow,subtle ways from inner elements 'polluting' the original intents,goals and agendas which started the original 'beneficial' thing.
Like yeast does when you add it to dough.
Which reflects on what Yeshua Emmanuel said about the 'leavening of the Pharisees'.
(A group of people who epitomised the behaviour I spoke of.)
Most of what I reflected on and referred to is addressed in the old book I spoke of.

(Wow!It looks like the context of the content of my post was actually MORE relatable to the TOPIC than the post of yours I responded too.)

I then ended by saying I did all that,,like I just did again in this post,,but used less,,more succinct words in that first one.
I thought you could handle them.

Ooopsie!My bad.

But hey,,now that I explained my self,,maybe you'll catch it this time.
Let's give it another try,,just to see if Abu Hiram can 'learn lessons from history':

Throwing out modern illustrations and analogies from an old set of answers for the giant set of problems of man on earth,,yet,,

With all due respect to all on this planet,,even infun,,
The DANG-DInGIE American
aka,, The Evil White Man