November 5th : Infun?

Or 'debate degeneration illustrated'.

This thread started out about the celebration of Guy F. day.Infun had replied to baretta19 using some of the cliches he has stored away in his head.I replied with my usual style and verve.That seemed to set off ol'moose.The below is how it ended.

The 'igniter' can be found here:

http://boards.excite.com/jsp/topicview.jsp?tid=503494&tm=11

or as a backpost here (StaksV2):

Ignition


http://royharbin.tripod.com/staks/nov5_ignition.html



harbin336

RE: November 5th
11/07/07 09:52am

infun,,?


~My post was in response to and addressed to b19...not you.~


Too bad since I was 'responding to yours'.All posts are 'fair game' on a public board.
Aren't they?


And,,are you infering you feel I should only 'speak when spoken to'?
(oooh,,excuse me your royal hi-ness)
FYI,,I allways reserve the right to 'speak'.It's a habit most Americans have.
And a right most Americans extend to others,,especially other Americans.



~Guy Fawkes represented a oppressed religion (Catholics) that was being denied rights by the Kings personally owned church and state that he ran and that he made up.~


If this is true:


~Christianity arrived in Britain in the first or second centuries (probably via the tin trade route through Ireland and Spain), and existed independently of the Church of Rome, as did many other Christian communities of that era.~


Then,,why should The King or they have to 'submit' to a 'replacement' religious system with a 'man' as 'the voice of God on earth'?
As in,,to them,,the 'church' was oppresive toward their 'church'.


IOW,,prove that ROMAN Castalottaschism IS the continuation of what Yeshua taught,and NOT an example of exactly what you claim the King did,,,first,,before you claim The Popes view was more accurate than The Kings.
Besides,,why should a soverign ruler,,like The King of England,,bow and kiss the ring of a 'soverign ruler' of a tiny little country called Vatican City?
You know,,some claim JFK,,who was a Roman Cathlic and subject to The Popes Authority as The Holy See,,was killed to keep him from being ruled by The Pope.


(if that was your belief as well,,would you have advocated and assisted in JFKs murder like Guy F. did that 'ruler'?)


As in,,like with 'Islam',,if you convert,,you are subject to their 'elites' decrees and edicts.Even if you are a 'king'.
That makes IT more than a religion.
That makes it a 'governing system' which they expect to extend into the 'politics' of soverign nations through 'the leaders' OBEYING Their High Priest or Priests.
The fact that they wished to not allow 'translations' from the Latin into other languages so 'average folks' could read it indicates it was 'essentially' a 'power mongering cult' when compared to what Christ taught.
(Which I wouldn't be able to know if I lived under the 'system' the Roman Catholoc church advocated at THAT time.)



Which is probally why,,


~Seems everyone in the world has a problem with that church and end up taking up arms against them and becoming known as terrorists...~~


That King made it 'okay' to NOT be Catholic.Didn't he?


As in,,to the 'church' rulers,,HE was the 'terrorist leader',,right?
Besides,,attempting to 'kill' for such a 'religion wrapped political agenda motivated' cause is what 'terrorists' do,,right?



~Catholics, the IRA and now muzlims.~


No matter what the name,number,label or category you put on it,,,
If a group (or individual) acts and behaves like 'psychopathic murderers' in order to 'force' anyone to worship any god,,they ARE terrorists for their cause.
The key is,,terror of being murdered because you do not 'agree' with their concept of 'god'.
Christianity is only bidden to 'invite,plead,implore,discuss,inform,illustrate and POINT THE WAY TO' what they believe is the correct understanding of how to please Our Creator.
Not murder.


~> cont next post ~>


harbin336

RE: November 5th
11/07/07 09:54am

~ cont from prev post ~


~Despite what the King had claimed about what had happened the King continued to oppress Catholics of their rights because of their faith in their church, not the Kings...why is that roy?~


As I illustrated above,,because he was a King who didn't want to be 'forced' to 'cater' to the King of Castalottaschism whos throne is in The Vatican.
DUH!!


~How many wars has the King waged against France and Spain because of the sides they took with the Catholic Church.~


Quite likely NOT as many as was waged to 'retain soverignty',,if one took the time to determine which was the true causes and then count them all.
It was and is politics,man,,NOT religion causing all that crap.
Just like now with Mo-ism.


~To this day WASPs don't like those who are historically Cathoilics, or muzlims or Jews...why is that roy?~
~Why are you blinded by that roy...does it have any thing to do with being an angry white man or whatever it is you want others to know you by?
The KKK belonged to the Kings church too they don't like Cathoilcs, Blacks, Jews, anyone who isn't a WASP. ...kinda funny how where there is oppression the King and his church wasn't too far behind it, according to history.~




Race,,and color aside (swerve diverted),,If Catholics,Mo-ists,Hebrews,Ishmaelites,Quakers,,Teletubbies,Chimeras or any other group wishes to force their religion 'through threat of violence or death' on another,,they are OUT OF LINE.
They are wrong to do that.
That was the 'heart' of the Protestant movement.
Protesting the 'tyrannical authority' of The Pope of the Roman Catholic Church as 'Gods Voice on Earth'.
DUH!!



Besides,,if the 'Churches policies and procedures' weren't there to protest,,what could the King possibly have to protest?
And did you know many of those 'looking for political or monetary support' will say anything to get others to back their particular cause?
They've even been known to cast 'racist' aspersions on their detractors.


NOW,,for your snide racist remarks directed at me:


WASPs? What does ,,'white' have to do with it?
Or being 'anglo-saxon'?
Are only 'white' 'anglos' or 'saxons' PROTESTING having to 'submit to the authority' of a man who is expected to be 'obeyed' as though HE is the very 'Voice of God'?
Why are you focusing on 'race' factors?I thought your beef was over 'religious based terrorism'.
?????


~angry white man or whatever it is you want others to know you by?~


That's 'EVIL' white man.



~> cont nxt post ~>


harbin336

RE: November 5th

11/07/07 09:56am

~ cont from prev post ~


Is an 'angry white man' any less of a man than an 'angry black man'?And who said I was angry?


AS to you slinging that 'whatever it is you want others to know you by' line,,


For a 'man' who wants to be known ONLY as 'whatever nic you pic' you should be aware that I ain't 'a nonim ass' that's afraid to be known for having the views or opinions that I may have.
Unlike others posting under 'only nics',,I have nothing to be ashamed of.I would repeat what I post in here to YOUR FACE if you were in my presence.


As for,,
~The KKK belonged to the Kings church too they don't like Cathoilcs, Blacks, Jews, anyone who isn't a WASP~


What can you tell ME about the Klan?
I don't hide or keep secret the 'FACT' that I have several relatives who could be called 'card carrying' members of that group.
Do you want to meet the ones I have had fist fights with over racism?
You would have to meet me first.
But I would willingly introduce you to them,,even if I only know you as someone 'on the boards' I call 'abu,moose,infun or ballwrinkle'.
You know my real name,,don't you?
What's yours?


That's a real good example of a 'race baiting' tactic you showed there,dude.
Were you coached by Sharpe?



~Giving you more respect than you deserve, as I always do...infun~


~ooh,,,that was so devastating to my self esteem that I am going to be 'a nonym ass' from now on.~
Yeah,,right.


From,,,


Roy Harbin
A Dutch,ANGLO,Nativeamerican,German - Dutch,Indian Northamerican,German,Irish,English American
also known as,, An Evil White Man


{'Accept NO substitutes,ya'll!'}


infundibulum6

RE: November 5th

11/07/07 01:06pm

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infundibulum6

RE: November 5th
11/07/07 01:41pm

December 17, 1538: Pope Paul III excommunicates King Henry VIII of England.
The English (historically) hate catholics along with most others who aren't like them (WASP's) including the Irish...this is the reason why...The Jews had to bomb freedom out of them too! Just like everyone else that the king, his privately owned church and his country with all it's forces have oppressed over the centuries had to do. Twist freedom and rights out of their hands. The UK labeled Jews terrorists once too. (after WWII)


a very liberal protest of the Pope somehow turned the Protestants non compliance into the correct religion? What Bullshit!


In the 30's the next King had to give up his rights so he could marry outside of the king and his churches graces...what crap!


It's still the same today...if the prince was to marry a muzlim the Archbish would not bless it and the state would not recognize it...


You are not as smart as what you think...yes you are well read but that don't translate into intelligently working out complicated power struggles that were meant to divide not unite...Marriage in the 16th century was different from today. It meant other things tahn what it is today. The Pope was correct in what he did when he denied the King his way. The spoiled brat went and did it anyways and that led to hate...like all WASP's hate is the fuel that feeds their bigotry.


Personally I think you are a poster who is well informed but not smart enough to use the data in a way that is useful to anyone but yourself. In other words you are ful of shit!


That's not a bad thing it just is....


You are very narrow-minded and most self centered....but hey if that's what makes it happen for you then go for it roy...go for it.


harbin336

RE: November 5th
11/08/07 08:20am

NO fun,infun?
It looks a leetle like I got ya miffed,,again.
(Was it reminding you about 'ballwrinkle speaks' that did it?Is that another one of your alter egos I see peeking out?)


Look,,before I get into your 'personalised comments' let me try again with the basic problems with your implied asserton that the Pope had any right to 'tell' the King of England what to do.


I will try to 'invigorate' your cognitive processes by asking a few questions.


1.Is what The Pope says,,'a God given edict' that everyone,,even NON Catholics MUST obey?'
2.Who said the King HAD to be Catholic?
3.And who said the King had to obey a Roman Catholic Hi-priest if he didn't want to?
4.Are you advocating a 'theocracy' over a 'monarchy'?
5.Do you know the difference?
6.Considering that BOTH systems were and are rife with injustices,atrocities and peversions,,should you be advocating either one over the other?


And btw,,do you remember me saying something about things that start out as a good thing often get 'turned into their ideological opposites'?
Well,,that's the short take on what happened.


I could point out how Constantine could simply have used an opportune event to bolster his standing during battle but instead I will point AT this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labarum
And say that it is what some Klanfolk call the cross of Phinehas,,which they march under,,did you know that?


I'll ask one more question:
7.How is The Holy Roman Catholic Church like the Pharisees and Sadducees that ran the 'temple' in Yeshuas day?



Now,,for the line by line approach,,,


~The English (historically) hate catholics along with most others who aren't like them (WASP's) including the Irish...this is the reason why...The Jews had to bomb freedom out of them too!~


Make up your mind,,are you trying to talk about religion,politics or race?



~Just like everyone else that the king, his privately owned church and his country with all it's forces have oppressed over the centuries had to do.~


And that is different from what the RC Church has done under the control of The Pope?(historically)?
Exactly how?


~ Twist freedom and rights out of their hands.~


Like the RC church has never ever stooped so low as to 'deprive' folks of the freedom to 'worship' as they seen fit?



~The UK labeled Jews terrorists once too. (after WWII)~


Shame on those 'labeling' and shame on those 'giving reasons to be labeled'.



~a very liberal protest of the Pope somehow turned the Protestants non compliance into the correct religion? What Bullshit!~


I doubt it did such a thing myself,,but I do know it did turn in to a battle to reject 'having a religion forced on them'.


~In the 30's the next King had to give up his rights so he could marry outside of the king and his churches graces...what crap!
It's still the same today...if the prince was to marry a muzlim the Archbish would not bless it and the state would not recognize it...~


So what?!
Boo freekin hoo,dude!!
If he's THE KING,,he should just change the law to suit him.
IF he can't do that,,then he's not The King in actuality,,now is he?
The King would be who ever he 'obeyed',,wouldn't it?
The fact is,,who wants to belong to a church that would deny you your 'birthright' based on who you marry?
Like a mans edict can disolve your genetic ancestry or something.
Talk about bovine feces.



~> cont next post ~>


harbin336

RE: November 5th
11/08/07 08:25am

~ cont from prev post ~


Here comes the 'personalized effluvium' you spewed onto your keyboard:


~You are not as smart as what you think...yes you are well read but that don't translate into intelligently working out complicated power struggles that were meant to divide not unite..~


Excuse me,,which side are you referring to as being the one 'intending' the division?
(I thot I was smart enuff t'keep track,,but youse jest tolds me I isn't)
Besides,,I still can't figure out where Yeshua said that some guy was going to be the 'most holy hi-hat' on the planet after He ascended.
Can you tell me where the RC Church got that idea?
(And,,if I'm well read,,you must not be the one that read me cuz you sure don't know me if that's what you think of me)


Speaking of reading,,here,,read this:
~
Luk 22:24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.

Luk 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.


Luk 22:26 But ye [shall] not [be] so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.


Luk 22:27 For whether [is] greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? [is] not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.
~



~Marriage in the 16th century was different from today.It meant other things tahn what it is today.~


Are you referring to 'similisexual marriages'?
Or are you thinking like a Catholic and acting like I don't know stuff in the hopes your 'jedi mind trick' will work?
I know what marriage is and what it means,,but feel free to tell me what YOU want every one to 'accept' as the truth straight from the 'Voice of God on Earth'.


Tell me something moose,,who performed the ceremony for 'Adam & Eve'?



~The Pope was correct in what he did when he denied the King his way.~


How can anyone 'with NO authority' over a 'King' be correct if they deny the 'King' his way?
(oh,,yeah,,that's right,,The Pope aka,,The Voice of God on Earth.)


~The spoiled brat went and did it anyways and that led to hate~


I guess so,,and it's still seething,,look at you dribbling it all over this place over something that happened sooo long ago.


~> cont next post ~>


harbin33

RE: November 5th
11/08/07 08:28am

~ cont from prev post ~


~...like all WASP's hate is the fuel that feeds their bigotry.~


Who?
White folks?
Anglos?
Saxons?
People who don't want to belong to a certain church?


Who does that LEAVE OUT?


Which group are you expressing YOUR bigotry towards?


~Personally I think you are a poster who is well informed but not smart enough to use the data in a way that is useful to anyone but yourself.~


Who else should I use it for?
You?
You don't want it.
The ones that do,,take it freely when they find it.
That's why I talk to you,,so I can have a foil to use to disseminate some examples of logic and sanity that one could call rare on these boards,God willing that is.


~ In other words you are ful of shit!~


Nope.A bowl of Total with an Ensure once a day keeps me rather regular and not loaded up.


How's YOUR colon doing,ballwrinkle?


~That's not a bad thing it just is....
You are very narrow-minded and most self centered....but hey if that's what makes it happen for you then go for it roy...go for it.~


Just think,,that line comes from a person who seems believes that some guy in a dress and tall hat is 'The Voice of God on Earth' who everyone should obey.
Have you ever considered how every time you point your finger at some one that 'there are three pointing back at you'?


With all due respect to all on this planet,,even infun,,
The DANG-DInGIE American
aka,, The Evil White Man


infundibulum6

RE: November 5th
11/09/07 08:57am

(Was it reminding you about 'ballwrinkle speaks' that did it?Is that another one of your alter egos I see peeking out?)


===


I don't know what a ball wrinkle is at all...the first time I read this derogatory reference to me personally is when you used it to sidetrack a conversation showing your ignorance of the issues, as you always do.


It (the name calling and disrespect you have) certainly won't get me to take you seriously and have real discussions with you...that won't happen until you grow up and stop being so condescending...


You have a warped sense of reality and it comes from not being too smart or as we say in my neck of the woods ...awful smart.......your brain isn't wired properly or something...I'm not a shrink so the terminology eludes me...


All I know is a little information in the wrong hands (such as yours) is a dangerous thing. Fortunately you are not smart enough to get over on most others and therefore of very little consequence...


harbin336

RE: November 5th
11/09/07 03:26pm

~I don't know what a ball wrinkle is at all...the first time I read this derogatory reference to me personally is when you used it to sidetrack a conversation showing your ignorance of the issues, as you always do.~


Drop your drawers,,you'll see some 'ballwrinkles',,if you have a set.
You don't remember this?
http://royharbin.tripod.com/blog/staks/excite/wow_bal...


~It (the name calling and disrespect you have) certainly won't get me to take you seriously and have real discussions with you...that won't happen until you grow up and stop being so condescending...~


A patronising,condescending remark regarding ME being 'condescending'?
???????????
Hey POT,,what color are you?


~You have a warped sense of reality and it comes from not being too smart or as we say in my neck of the woods ...awful smart.......your brain isn't wired properly or something...I'm not a shrink so the terminology eludes me...~


After the comment you made before this one,,this comment is just 'hilarious' to me.


~All I know is a little information in the wrong hands (such as yours) is a dangerous thing. Fortunately you are not smart enough to get over on most others and therefore of very little consequence...~


Yeah,,that's the tact most folks who feel intellectually 'defeated' take all the time,,isn't it?


And all this you wrote is 'simply distracting' from the topic,,which you apparently feel is inconsequential,,NOW,,since your 'reasoning' for adhering to your 'assertions' has been shown to be inadequate for actually defending your views on the topic.
How convenient.


Have you given up on showing how the Popes religion is accurately valid,,over others,,as the continuation of the Original concepts advocated by The Originator of the 'belief system' we were discussing?


THAT was the topic,,no?
Why did you get off topic and just start 'disrepecting me,,if such behaviour is one that you dislike in others?


Ummmm??


Come on,,where's your 'intellectual integrity',man?
Anybody reading this exchange can tell you are simply miffed and don't wanna talk about it no more.
Why don't you just 'prove' my mind is like you claimed it was and 'defeat my positions'?


Or,,can't you out debate someone who has a warped sense of reality that comes from not being too smart or as they say in A MOOSES neck of the woods ...awful smart.......whos brain isn't wired properly or something?


Do you mean to tell me,,YOU can't out debate me?
You claim I am such as that,,and YOU can't out debate me?


That doesn't say much FOR YOUR intellectual abilities,,now does it?
Now,,there's a dose of 'reality' for you.


Straight from the 'alledgedly' improperly wired mind of,,
The DANG-DInGIE American
aka,, The Evil White Man







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